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淫審風暴再起
網民抗議youtube封殺聖經動畫 憂網絡23條將壓制言論自由

有牧師在《家暴條例》聽政會語出驚人成為眾反基討論區熱話,投訴聖經發起人之一奧賣葛隨即發佈「聖經中同性戀之城所多瑪滅亡的真相與囡囡妙計姦老豆」動畫,踢爆原來聖經反同性戀的章節竟是一個亂倫的故事。豈料youtube竟旋即把奧賣葛的帳號及他所有動畫刪除。由於影視處已指出聖經為一級,網民認為有人濫用職權禁制異己言論自由,觸發「全民發佈大行動:抗議youtube封殺聖經亂倫動畫」。更有網民憂政府實施互聯網過濾後會有更多此類言論封鎖。

動畫踢爆聖經反同性戀的章節竟是一個亂倫的故事
在教徒口中,聖經裡的所多瑪故事是講述這城因為充斥著同性戀者而被神消滅,但原來故事並不這麼簡單!故事中的義人羅得竟然提議讓惡人強姦自己兩女,而兩女後來更迷姦爸爸!動畫推出後反應極佳,三天內已有超過一萬瀏覽人次。

影視處指聖經一級,youtube卻刪除聖經動畫,網民要求合理解釋
youtube在半天內在沒有任何通知下,把動畫連同奧賣葛的帳號及其所有影片刪除。由於07年影視處已指出聖經為一級,網民認為有人濫用職權禁制異己言論自由。網民民情洶湧,紛紛開新帳號上載該動畫數十次到youtube以示抗議。

審查部門常偏袒,網民憂政府實施互聯網過濾後會有更多此類言論封鎖
現在政府建議強制互聯網供應商提供網頁過濾,有網民表示擔心到時會更多此類言論封鎖發生。回顧過往政府負責審查的部門(淫審處、廣管局及影視處)的裁決,不難找到荒謬與偏袒某宗教的例子,例如中大學生報及明報引述學生報時提及亂倫被評為不雅(後來被推翻),而明光社及神學生文章引述同樣內容卻不用送檢,又如廣管局強烈勸喻《同性戀人》欠持平(後來被推翻),卻不受理對宗教節目的同樣投訴(見[1]),令人懷疑這些政府機構是在為某宗教服務。另外,對於這些裁決我們還可以上訴(如果有錢的話),可是當政府實施互聯網過濾時,作為網主的可以怎樣上訴呢?作為受眾又怎樣才知道有甚麼資訊被奪走了?因為還未看到內容,網頁已被封鎖了!

被封殺的聖經動畫「同性戀之城所多瑪滅亡的真相與囡囡妙計姦老豆」:http://truthbible.net/bloodybible/bibleanimation/bedtimebible1.shtml

聯絡:ohmygod@truthbible.net

按此下載圖片及pdf檔

[1] 部份偏袒例子:
2006年有網民投訴星火飛騰導人迷信但卻不受理
2007年有網民投訴《881 - 是他也是你和我節目》導人迷信,只說神怪事情而欠缺科學解釋及精神科醫生的專業意見,有欠持平,事件不了了之

[2] 部份已上載該動畫的youtube網址:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFCsWxsWEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A6XZDeZtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1ZnyfsRjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-mNSlX_74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhBqRccT7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8K2KLT20Ic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WMtWgHDLY 已移除。
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWjhxqHuAI 被標18禁
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9pa17UOpI 被標18禁
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLhBRClsNU 已移除。
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkBrHJcUcQ 已移除。
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9010612123856534131
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-cydeuVso 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWgFkjcpXvo 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgr-0zMRB8U 已移除。
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvWTV0uGSQ 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5e38QzqhwY 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRq7sS9zwo4 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DpGhKKqGPs 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE-t9oUf_4 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-UhIGQlb0 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo8z61R-E4
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=83MLMaIlAI0
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MjMNlBUyI
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpD2raznCI 被標18禁
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYC_biuqkM已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhx_m-Upjc已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnMYIQxf6Q已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPOh0LntdE已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQDLyEdDgQ 已移除。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyplVOZOaaA 已移除。

[3]網民回應節錄:
田雞(三基)
一定要 YOUTUBE 解釋 !!!? 保衛言論自由.
而且早有影視處/淫審 講明冇問題.??? YOUTUBE 咁做完全冇理據 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
淫審制度檢討仍在進行中,? 應出來解釋.

亞基拉 (AK Zone)
本人很討厭那些小孩子被childhood and non-sense父母愚弄...他們的小孩還未懂事還未明白什麼是fag.就在大街上大喊「god hates fag.」

菩提老母(高登)
淫審署都話聖經冇事
憑咩delete左佢

只攻與防奔走(高登)
道德當然重要,言論自由也要重視.

神之一手(高登)
既然係咁
又點解要用當時既歷史apply?今日既社會

珍惜大自撚(高登)
我以前係Yahoo!知識都有類似樓主既經歷
我係果度post左d反基督教既野 幾個鐘頭後就被Yahoo!知識既admin bam左
自呢一日之後,我已經冇用Yahoo!知識好耐

mm104337 (youtube)
即係基督徒認為亂倫仲好過搞基呀?

mcdon1978 (youtube)
抗議youtube自我審查!!
而家政府仲搞埋D咩強制過濾,第時容乜易乜都冇得睇架?:'(
我要言論自由,唔要查禁!!

hac129 (youtube)
Against fundamentalist! Against censorship! We love justice!

ballballpen89 (youtube)
唔係講笑,第時淫審單野過到既話基基block q 晒D反基網,想抗議都冇得你抗呀

中出.飛(高登)
如果聖經亂倫既篇章過時
咁佢反GAY果D係咪都應該收皮?
"聖經係岩晒"呢個理念係咪都應該收皮?(聖經係上帝的說話)

麻鳩煩(高登)
故事講到羅德係神眼中既義人, 滅城之前都有天使特登救佢, 佢亂倫所生既後代成為左一族既始祖, 故事成個theme都講緊佢做既事有好既結果
睇返報紙講強姦, 就算中間講到點搧情都好, 最後都會講疑犯被捕或者正被通輯, 衰極都有警方調查中, 如果咁樣都仲算係鼓吹, 我會建議你首先定義 "鼓吹" 先再繼續討論



Original: 2009/1/16
Translated 1/18
'Indecent' Bible Animation from Atheist disappear without a trace


A pastor has made slanderous and defaming comment about GLBT in the discussion of Domestic Violence Ordinance,so the original initiator of Bible complain OhmyGod make an animation of "Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" to demonstrate the quoted passage from the Bible is actually a story promoting incest. However, this popular Bible animation doesn't stay in YOUTUBE more than half a day, it is removed and his account is immediately banned WITHOUT ANY REASONS GIVEN WHATSOEVER.

Since the last Bible complain incident, TELA of Hong Kong already classified Bible as Category I which is suitable for all ages,to protest the act of censorship against 'material deem disrupting the social harmony' by YOUTUBE, we started this 'Flood the Youtube with Indecent Biblical Animation campaign'; Does the behavior of YOUTUBE exemplify what will happen after the renew of "Obscene and indecent article ordinance" (censorship system in Hong Kong) ?


Biblical condone Incest in its passage?

For what Christian see as a story to demonstrate the fall of Sodomites due to presence of Gay and Lesbian, what we actually see in the story is much more than that. The so-called good guy Lot in the story, suggests that the mob may rape their virgin daughters in order to preserve the angels' safety. Moreover, he later impregnates his two daughters, allegedly to preserve the seeds of his bloodline. Within 3 days, truthbible website has receive more than 10k hits for this Bible animation.


Netizen demands the rationale behind the removal of Bible animation by YOUTUBE
What YOUTUBE did was removing the Bible animation,along with any trace of its existence, including banning Ohmygod's YOUTUBE account within half day. The rude behavior of YOUTUBE caused much furor among Hong Kong Netizens. It is a big cause for concern since TELA has already classified Christian Bible as category I -- suitable for all ages, why YOUTUBE abuse its authority to remove any material that may deem offensive to Society of Truth and Light -- a Christian Right organization in Hong Kong? Since the inception of this campaign, many Netizens opened new accounts just for the sake of uploading this Bible animation. It has been uploaded more than 30 times.


The censorship system has a record of biased against minority and unpopular voice,would such incident of self-censorship become commonplace in future?

Now in the Review of the Control of Obscene and Indecent Articles Ordinance, HKSAR suggests to mandate all ISP to provide filtering system to users, many akin that to be a Hong Kong style Great Firewall. If we review the judgment made by censorship bodies of HKSAR,we can find evidences violating common sense and logic, while in favor of established religions. For instance, the world famous CUSP questionnaire is classified as Indecent by the mere question over incest fantasy,while the reproduction of the same content in the website owned by Christian Right flagship Society of Truth and Light, TELA refused classification. In another case, Broadcasting authority STRONGLY URGE 'Gay Lover' in its alleged biased toward gay marriage; however, it refuse to process complains against TV program promoting Christian Right's 'Family Value' and Creationism. The judgments in both cases are later overthrow in expansive Highest Court that few can afford. Now, when Internet filtering is implemented, what could webmasters do to protest when their website is blocked? How could Netizens know what information are they deprived from? As 'indecent' content disappear before anyone know it!


The banned animationn:"Bedtime Bible --the Fall of Sodomites and Lot's Incest" http://truthbible.net/bloodybible/bible ... ble1.shtml

Contact:ohmygod@truthbible.net

Click here for this in pdf format

[1] Unfairly complain processed by censorship bodies:
2006 Netizen complained about 星火飛騰 promoting superstition but the case is dropped from investigation.
2007 Netizen complained《Hour Of Power (ENG/CANT)》making miracle claims without scientific investigation and seeking professional explanation from Psychiatrist. Some consider it being unfair since it lack naturalistic interpretation. The case is dragging on until now.


[2] The status of the Bible animation uploaded to YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFCsWxsWEw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1A6XZDeZtw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1ZnyfsRjc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-mNSlX_74
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPhBqRccT7I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8K2KLT20Ic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03WMtWgHDLY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWjhxqHuAI Require Age verification
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf9pa17UOpI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPLhBRClsNU Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkBrHJcUcQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3856534131
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu-cydeuVso Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWgFkjcpXvo Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgr-0zMRB8U Removed by YOUTUBE
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=wTvWTV0uGSQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5e38QzqhwY Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRq7sS9zwo4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DpGhKKqGPs Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eE-t9oUf_4 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y-UhIGQlb0 Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWo8z61R-E4
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=83MLMaIlAI0
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=0-MjMNlBUyI
http://hk.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpD2raznCI Require Age verification
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMYC_biuqkM Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lhx_m-UpjcRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnMYIQxf6QRemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiPOh0LntdERemoved by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSQDLyEdDgQ Removed by YOUTUBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyplVOZOaaA Removed by YOUTUBE

[3]Quotes from Netizens:
mm104337 (youtube)
Does that mean conservative Christian prefer Incest over 'Go Gay'?


mcdon1978 (youtube)
Protest self-censorship by YOUTUBE, return my freedom of information!
When the censorship system is place, what can we see in the Internet :'(
Speech freedom and NO CENSORSHIP!!


hac129 (youtube)
Against fundamentalist! Against censorship! We love justice!


ballballpen89 (youtube)
It is not a joke. If one day this preemptive mechanism is applied, will any of us able to see this comment?

Fai (Golden)
If Christian think Indecent Bible is an outdated concept, so why not Gay blasting in according to the outdated Bible?

Should we maintain the concept that Bible is always right?(since Bible is God's word!)


Troublesome(Golden)
This story is about the good guy in the Lord's eye, which he send angels to save him from the falling city, which become the ancestor for the whole Shiite race. From what I see, it is a good ending for this 'good' guy(who committed incest.)
Now when we read rape cases in newspaper, however sensational is the story; it always end up the suspect is being arrested or prosecuted. In the worst case s, the case is being investigate by the police. Comparing them two, how can we avoid making the conclusion that the Bible is 'encouraging' incest in the layman's eye? How would you define 'encouraging' otherwise?


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